Thursday, June 28, 2007

more facebook, with class

i knew i wasn't totally down with Facebook.

i thought it was because its version of community seemed cheap and parodic compared to blogging; a shallow, performative dance of "i have some friends, you don't have more friends" that neither allowed for complexity nor for the specificity of context that tends to foster empathic conversation and sharing out here in the blogosphere.

apparently, it's just 'cause i'm a punk rocker, dude.

Danah Boyd, who at five years younger than me - why do those words smart so much, anyway? - is a guru of teh internets, sez that Facebook is the Pottery Barn of social networking sites among young people, while the much-vilified and frequently-banned MySpace carries cultural capital among totally different groups of kids, among them youth who are marginalized by class or ethnicity, or who choose to be part of an anti-establishment subculture.

Boyd's full article is fascinating to me primarily because it deals with class. in North American society, gasp. yes, we have class. or rather, classes. not tidy ones, either...given that, as Boyd points out, her friends (and mine) who eke out 14K a year working in cafes while in grad school are no more members of the traditional working class than a lottery winner is a member of the upper crust. class membership today is about lifestyle, the article posits, with social stratification operating partially through the realms of aesthetics and activities. thus, literacies and tastes mark a person as a member of various (possibly intersecting) communities, some of which may be completely unrelated to the tangible, physical community of geographic location and culture and economics that once delineated class. this makes sense to me...and i think it has resonance for some of the "who are we?" class identification conversations that have gone around the blogosphere in the past number of months.

but Boyd's more interested in the class affiliations of Facebook and Myspace users than she is in bloggers, at least in the attached article. i do think her otherwise keen analysis of the current social milieu stumbles pretty hard when she tries to demarcate teen social network users into two clean-ish groups, even just for the purpose of establishing ground on which to found the conversation: the thesis of her article posits that the hegemonic "good kid" teens use Facebook, in part because of the hype around its connection to colleges back when it first made inroads in the teen world, while "subaltern" teens chose or stuck with Myspace. fair enough...but then she goes on to explore the subaltern group largely in terms of poverty. certainly, poverty is a significant factor in the lives of many, many marginalized teens, particularly those who belong to marginalized cultural groups - Latinos, African Americans - whose forms of cultural expression are associated with the flash and bling aesthetic that Boyd says is far more characteristic of Myspace. but if we're going to break the class conversation out of its traditional, ill-fitting box of economic delineation, shouldn't the exploration of subaltern identity go a little further too? what about the emo kids she mentions, or the punk kids? the hegemony they're rebelling against with their own identifications isn't just the dominant culture, per se, but in many cases their own cultural heritage - their suburban, Wonderbread parents, or the broader cultural values they're implicitly expected to inherit and uphold. they reject the Pottery Barn or Ikea aesthetic of pleasant Euro-simulacric order just as much as the hiphop kids do...but the two groups find different aesthetics and spheres of belonging through which to express that rejection. poverty matters. but i think for any of us who work with young people or youth culture and are interested in understanding what they're really doing on these sites that they spend just as much time on as most of us do on our blogs, we'd be wise not to see Myspace merely as a poor kid's Facebook. is it the rock-n-roll end of social networking? probably not. it's not open source, not terribly responsive to user input in terms of its development over time. both are commercial sites, and both, as i see it, shape users to a shallow, referential form of identity performance, where much is signified but little is said.

but then, maybe i think that because tastes and literacies are as generational as they are class-based, and i'm always going to be a print native, sucker for the details and individuality of expression i believe to be available in words. blogging is a simulacra of my own ideal world.

maybe Facebook and Myspace really do - in ways completely inscrutable to me, whether with gaudy bling themes or hardcore logo - fulfill the same purpose for the digital natives of the next generation. i dunno.

thoughts?

13 comments:

Her Bad Mother said...

I saw that article, and thought that it was veeerry interesting. I wonder if the same kind of class analysis could be made when comparing BLOGGING to social networking...?

gingajoy said...

Thanks so much for turning me onto this work by Danah--I always find her research and thoughts interesting and useful. I am going to chew on this and come back, especially since this last week has been The Week of Facebook for me personally (suddenly turned onto the mommyblogging networks over there, and veeeeery interesting how this whole thang is working. hmmmm)

I wonder if this distinction between facebook and myspace can really be made catgorically (which she is probably not doing) I think she's onto something, but I want to see if I can mess it up a bit (coz that's what I do--problematize and then back off. heh)

thanks Bon!

Oh, The Joys said...

For the life of me, I cannot figure out the purpose of either site. I am not a myspace user, but do have a facebook account and all it does is annoy me to death with people poking me and zombie's biting me... wha? Meaningless.

slouching mom said...

so it could be that facebook/myspace is to "us" (luddites) what cds are to our parents, who belive that records lend themselves to a much purer, fuller sound...

or, it could be that facebook/myspace really are that shallow, insubstantial, and evanescent.

time will tell.

but i'd bet money on shallow, insubstantial, and evanescent, myself.

Mary G said...

I am about to chase the article and reference. Thanks!
SM, I'll have you know that I am entirely converted to CDs. (Snicker)
There's a tag I just remembered --of uncertain relevance.
'Canada has no social classes,
Only the Masseys and the masses.'
Bon, the comments on class are super interesting. And yes, a lot of tie ins to the discussions going on back in February.
This is a super post.

Bon said...

i think a class analysis of blogging on aesthetic terms would be fascinating, but tough. so much tongue-in-cheek and saucy retro repartee, seemingly across lifestyle lines...that in itself, that seemingly broad commonality, is really what would interest me most. did female children of the 60s/70s/80s somehow get the message that cheeky retro irony is the ONLY way to express feminity without being too earnest?

and then...is it?

Joy, i must friend you on facebook. yes, it irritates me. but i still like to see everybody's pages. :)

Jess, i don't get the poking either. i don't like being poked. at least not virtually.

Slouching Mom...vinyl's got a renewed following...maybe someday our kids will dig up our dusty blogs from the bowels of the internet and bask in our, erm, wisdom.

and Mary, love the quote. Masseys like Massey lectures, yes? not, say, Massey-Ferguson the farm equipment family?

bubandpie said...

Not the point, exactly, but this post reminds me of what annoyed me about all those John Hughes teen movies where MONEY was the source of popularity. So not relevant. To a very limited extent, clothing could be a market of popularity, and the clothing did cost money - but how much money your parents made was insignificant in my high school compared to how much beer you could drink, how creatively you could use up-to-the-minute slang, and how skilfully you could put someone down without her (me) fully realizing it.

Moondance said...

Bon, "did female children of the 60s/70s/80s somehow get the message that cheeky retro irony is the ONLY way to express feminity without being too earnest?"

My instinctual reaction to this was to think of something cheekly retro and ironic to say!

thailandchani said...

Well, at the risk of being contrary, I simply see no purpose to sites like that. Reducing people to a paragraph and a bunch of pictures seems incredibly shallow and meaningless.

I don't use either site but it might be as simple as a generational thing, too.

It looks to me to be an overblown popularity contest with people competing to see how many "friends" they can attract.

Naw. Don't like it.

Not at all.

As for how it compares to blogging, I'd say it is like comparing cotton candy to prime rib.

Bon said...

um, Chani? i don't think you're being contrary at all. the first facebook post i wrote - linked in this one - said largely the same thing...and most of us are in agreement, from what i can see from the comments.

Mary G said...

Masseys like both. Where do you think they got the money?

Bon said...

Mary, that's hilarious.

i had no idea the Massey lectures had such humble - or rather, lucrative but not exactly cosmopolitan - beginnings.

and B&P...yeh, i think pop culture has given a pretty cheap gloss to the complexities of youth class interactions for a long, long time.

Tere said...

Bon, I first commented on this topic over at MamaPop, and this is what I said:

Before reading the full report:

"I'm Hispanic, and I grew up poor. That didn't really stop me from joining Facebook.

I have to say, from my side of multicultural America, that studies like this just show how clueless white people are about minority groups.

This is making me feel all bitchy, and I apologize, but it's frustrating when "official reports" come out and they basically conclude that (in my case, Hispanics) can't be what they are and be prosperous and well-to-do and stable at the same time. Ggrrrrr."


At Tracey's request, I read the whole thing and came back with more thoughts:

"

Despite the author's broad generalizations, I understand the point he's making. I appreciate that he acknowledged that his terms were imprecise.

Still, I don't get why Latinos/Hispanics were exclusively named (no other ethnic group - Af-Ams, Asians were singled out), and thrown into the "bad" group, to boot. It's one thing to discuss factors like grades, family background, economic status, etc., but quite another to single out one cultural group (especially when you're not a part of that cultural group, so really, what do you know?)

I know large segments of the L/H population are poor, working class, and the antithesis of white preppy kids. But there are other segments that are well-educated, wealthy, hard-working, etc. This is true of any ethnic group, right? So why were they singled out? I'm not pissed about it (as the author said people would be), but I really would love to know his rationale.

The general argument, I would agree with - but like Sils, a lot of it has to do with how each site originated and what their original purposes were.

The truth is, I was more fascinated by the part about the military. I think that alone merits its own research and essay, particularly the idea that "(if) part of the goal is to cut off communication between current soldiers and the group that the military hopes to recruit."

Also, the stuff about the shocking things "good" kids do and his worries for the kids who have been pampered for too long and those who are ostracized by society - that was pretty good; again, worth further exploration.

Especially for those of us who are parents and also bloggers and on these site ourselves. Which will our kids be? I mean, you don't have to be a minority to end up ostracized by society or poor or without any future prospects. Nor does providing everything for your kids guarantee that they'll be well-adjusted or "good"."

Sorry to copy/paste, it's just a lot!